Rant: Keeping Stats

There seems to be a large misunderstanding about what certain types of stats are… and are not. And there certainly are a fair share of people who think it’s their way… or the highway.

Now, before I go much further, let me say: I do understand that stats are primarily taken by a few student workers for the sports information offices on college campuses. I understand that they may not be completely up to date on the nuances of stat taking. And I understand that sometimes giving certain stats is something of an opinion on certain plays.

Now, I have been to my fair share of games and in many arenas; I have sat next to my fair share of “stat takers”; and I have worked in a sports information office for several years, so I have gotten very familiar with how stats should be given… or not given. And I am tired of those who simply don’t know how to take accurate stats… even with the new high-tech automated computer programs that pretty much keep up with the pace of play.

My pet-peeves when it comes to stats: assists, turnovers, and steals. It seems no one completely understands what some of these are.

For example, at one game I overheard one group of sports information employees as they kept stats for a game on computer. They kept having an argument about what an assist was, if it was a turnover, who got the steal, and who the rebound went to… it almost drove me out of my mind.

Picture the scene. There is one guy punching away at a computer, so he isn’t really watching the game… he “trusts” the two others to call out the game. The guy on his right seems to have a very good idea how to call the game and call out the right stats. The guy on the left… CLUELESS!!!

He never thought there as an assist on ANY made basket.
He sometimes would give the guy trying to receive a horrible pass… the turnover.
And he kept crediting the steal to the guy who ended up with the ball.

This resulted in the competent one on the right, trying to correct mistakes all night long. It led to fixing mistakes during timeout. (They got most of the mistakes and I wasn’t too disappointed in the final numbers).

It was killing me! This one guy simply didn’t know what he was talking about and upon talking with the other two guys later… he seemed to refuse to learn!

So, I am going to go through these pet-peeves of mine and maybe wake some people up out there.

Assists – By definition: A player is credited with an assist when the player makes the principal pass contributing directly to a field goal. Such a pass should be either (a) a pass that finds a player free after he or she has maneuvered without the ball for a positional advantage, or (b) a pass that gives the receiving player a positional advantage he or she otherwise would not have had.

Ok… this can sometimes be tough, I know. But, if a player is passed the ball and he or she immediately shoots and scores… you better give an assist.
On a break-a-way… and the shooter gets the ball and doesn’t take more than a couple of dribbles or make a move to get around a defender… there better be an assist coming.
And on an alley-oop… you better not even try and argue with me there wasn’t an assist on that play.

Now, here are some assists that are given… that clearly should not.
The pass goes inside to the post-player. He or she then hesitates, fakes a move to the inside before spinning to the baseline, shoots, and scores. I don’t care what argument you try and make… no assist.
Another situation: long outlet pass up the court, the player starts to dribble and drives to the lane. But, before shooting, the played has to go for the reverse lay-up to avoid the defender. Forget about an assist.
And finally, the pass is tipped a couple of times before getting to a player who shoots and scores… good luck convincing me the passer meant to have it go off three hands before arriving in a teammates hands.

In almost all of these situations, the eventual shooter had to do something to create their shot (in the final one, its amazing the ball got to them through traffic). If a shooter is the one creating the opportunity to shot… then there was no actual assist from someone else.

Turnovers – By definition: The purpose of a turnover is to reflect statistically the times in which a team was given the ball and should have gotten some kind of shot but, before it could get any kind of shot, made some type of mistake that turned the ball over to the opponent.
Sounds simple… but many people get confused who to give the turnover to.
It’s quite simple… the one that messed up!

If I have the ball and I lose it… I should be charged with the turnover. Simple, right?

Apparently not… and it really drives me nuts.

If I am passing the ball to my post-player, and I throw the ball in a place he or she has to make an effort to reach for it and the defender takes it or deflects to a teammate: I should be charged with the turnover, not the player trying to receive the ball. I am the one responsible to get it to him safely. There are some who want to blame the receiving party… but he or she can’t be held responsible for my bad pass.

Steals – By definition: A steal is credited to a player when the player’s positive, aggressive action(s), which includes contact with the ball, causes a turnover by an opponent.

The guy I described above never got this right.

Imagine the following scenario:
The offensive player is dribbling the ball on the wing, inside the three-point line, and with his back to the baseline. His defender is able to hit the ball from behind – CLEANLY – and the ball flies loose… ending up in the hands of another defender. Do you know how many times I have heard people give the steal to the defender who ended up with the ball? Let me ask a simple question: who caused the ball to end up in that defender’s hands? The original defender… so thus, he or she deserves the steal!

Assists, turnovers, and steals are either inflated or not given enough. I just don’t get how there can be people who think everything is an assist or steal… or the opposite; thinking nothing is an assist or steal.

Yes, they happen.
No, they don’t happen on every play.

Yes, you should give credit where credit it due.
No, don’t just add an assist or steal… because it looks good.

No statistician is going to give a player a basket just because they were on the court. So why should they be giving steals and assists away as if they were candy.

These are hard earned statistics and for those people out there who inflate or don’t give enough, you are only cheating the game and the players.

Dodging a bullet on redshirts

Division III basketball dodged a bullet on redshirts this afternoon at the annual NCAA Convention in Indianapolis. A more restrictive redshirt proposal came three votes from passing.

Two years ago, Division III members voted to eliminate the practice of redshirting except for medical reasons. While previously granted redshirts would be honored, no new ones would be awarded. The legislation was part of a package of measures designed to provide more common ground among the 425-plus schools in Division III, some of which came relatively recently from the NAIA and brought with them values that werem’t practiced by the majority of schools.

That 2004 measure passed with more than 60% approval.

Today, however, a proposal was considered that would not honor redshirts granted at other levels of college athletics. Currently, if a student-athlete redshirted outside of Division III and then transferred to a Division III school, he or she would not lose that year of eligibility.

The Presidents Council supported this measure. The membership, thankfully, did not, defeating it 203-199 with four abstentions, according to a source on the convention floor. A swing of three ‘nay’ votes would have carried the proposal and made it effective this August.

In the Presidents Council’s position statement summary, it said, “the student-athlete becomes accountable for the decision to ‘redshirt’ prior to attending a Division III institution.”

That’s all well and good, but shows a distinct lack of knowledge of what athletics at other levels is about. If you’re at a scholarship level and the coach says you’re redshirting, that’s it, end of discussion. Why in the world would we want to punish a kid for seeing the light and coming to Division III, where the student-athlete can be serious about academics and treat sports as something other than a job?

It’s great that Division III is here to rescue kids from the cannon fodder that Division I athletics can be, but instead, this proposal would have pushed kids away from some of the finest institutions in America and towards schools at other levels inside and outside the NCAA.

The Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference already uses this model and the Midwest Conference sponsored the legislation. If that’s what they want to do, that’s their choice. But don’t punish a teenager for what a D-I coach foists on them. That isn’t right.

Summarizing other news from the votes today, repealing the 2004 redshirt restrictions failed by a vote of 277-128-1. A proposal to increase to 14 (based on enrollment) the number of sports a D-III school is required to offer failed 371-37-3. A proposal to increase it to 12 for schools with enrollment of greater than 1,000 passed, 233-170-5, effective Aug. 1, 2010.

The NCAA Tournament size was capped at 64 for basketball. Conferences that complete a self-study survey can remain eligible for an automatic bid starting Aug. 1, 2008, even if temporarily falling below seven schools sponsoring a sport. A later proposal said that those conferences which fall below four “core” institutions would not remain eligible to retain automatic bids.

Immediate thoughts on Jan. 6-8

Obviously, today’s games are still going on, those that have started, but too much from last night to let go.

First of all, what should we make of Illinois Wesleyan’s struggles? This is an uber-talented team with seemingly so many weapons on the floor that it ought to be immune to having to survive a buzzer-beater attempt at Carthage. Even though Carthage is a deceiving 4-8 (check their schedule), a No. 1 team should be in a better position at the end of the game than breathing a sigh of relief.

I wonder if any voters still planning to vote IWU No. 1 after Wednesday’s home loss to North Central were affected. I was pretty sure after Wednesday there would probably be some who would vote for IWU (myself possibly among them) but now I have no idea. They just don’t seem to be playing well.

Question is, if not IWU, then who? This is one of the first times that I’ll be going into Monday with no idea who I’ll be voting No. 1.

On the women’s side, my No. 1 team survived the week but 13 other people had their No. 1 team lose (nine on Wash U and four on George Fox). Brandeis, which has five first-place votes, has no easy game today in facing Rochester. Randolph-Macon, which might have been a candidate, lost at Bridgewater in double overtime on Tuesday night, so they’re out of consideration for this week.

WPI losing isn’t necessarily a surprise, although it should be somewhat surprising that they lost at home. First home loss since March 2004. Losing at Springfield or Wheaton (Mass.) or crosstown rival Clark would have been more expected.

Wilmington’s men winning both games this week is a surprise — when the week started I was asked a couple of times about Wilmington and I told people I would feel comfortable voting for them if they won one of the two games this week (at Ohio Northern and at Baldwin-Walace), so gotta find room for them. And North Central. (Occidental was already on my ballot.) Before this week Wilmington had lost to the only OAC contender it had played, at John Carroll, so the jury was definitely still out.

As I write this, the men’s game on Sunday between Carnegie Mellon and NYU is going to overtime. That’s another team (NYU) that we might need to make room for.

Why didn’t York (Pa.) and Lincoln play at York’s tournament this past weekend? Because Messiah and Lebanon Valley couldn’t play each other, since they will play each other twice in MAC Commonwealth action. This brings up something that I have noticed more and more lately: There are too many tournaments and not enough teams to fill them. Too many schools want to guarantee themselves two extra home games. At any rate, ended up in a good win for a struggling Lebanon Valley squad yesterday afternoon. But don’t worry too much about Lincoln — the Lions have four losses but don’t forget they have 14 wins too, having played nearly three-quarters of their schedule already.

Oof, double overtime now for NYU/Carnegie Mellon men.

No. 13 Augustana seems to be holding serve as the second- … or third-best team in the CCIW after beating No. 16 Elmhurst at home. Since the CCIW has a tournament this year for the first time to determine its automatic bid, a lot of things can still happen, but with 18 Pool C bids to the NCAA Tournament this year, the CCIW figures to get at least one.

Friday night was the more interesting night for women’s games, with Rochester taking it to NYU. As usual, NYU ranked significantly higher in the coaches’ poll than in our poll, but even at No. 15, perhaps a little high considering who they had played so far:

Nov 18 New York University Brockport State (4-4) 73-53
Nov 19 New York University SUNY-Farmingdale (5-5) 64-60
Nov 26 New York University SUNY-Farmingdale (5-5) 82-52
Nov 27 New York University Alvernia (1-8) 82-52
Nov 30 Manhattanville (0-9) New York University 45-65
Dec 6 Mount St. Mary (8-2) New York University 49-55
Dec 9 New York University St. Joseph’s (L.I.) (9-4) 67-31
Dec 17 New York University Kings Point (6-3) 76-43
Jan 2 New York University Montclair State (6-5) 72-64

Above .500 Skyline teams might look good in the Quality of Wins rating but not to a national eye. If you’re trying to game the system I can see why you would choose this kind of schedule but not if you’re trying to prepare yourself for a tough conference or the NCAA Tournament.

Carnegie Mellon, with its top two scorers fouled out, pulls it out on the road on Sunday in the UAA, 89-85 in double overtime. That’s pretty good for a day when there are usually lots of upsets — the team that has to fly twice over the weekend and come back and play an early-afternoon game on Sunday has traditionally struggled in that league.

I throw the floor open for your observations from the weekend.

Weekend Warrior: Sunday, Jan. 8

Football, schmootball.

Sunday means more UAA and ODAC action. The Rochester women would make a very strong case for getting some Top 25 votes if they can follow up their win at NYU by upsetting No. 2 Brandeis.

Ditto for the undefeated NYU men if they can beat CMU after dumping No. 18 Rochester. A day after pushing No. 17 Randolph-Macon to the limit, the Guilford men will try to pick off Virginia Wesleyan.

So who needs the NFL playoffs? Okay, okay…so maybe you’ll want to listen to these games while watching the football games on mute…

1 PM EST: Men – No. 19 Carnegie Mellon vs. NYU (11-0, 1-0)
Broadcast on WNYU.org

2 PM EST: Men – Virginia Wesleyan vs. Guilford
Broadcast on Sportsjuice.com (GC)

3 PM EST: Women – No. 2 Brandeis vs. Rochester (8-2)
Broadcast on WYSL AM

Something you rarely see at a D3 game

At Saturday’s Centennial Conference game where Dickinson visited Swarthmore, D1 St Joseph’s University coach Phil Martelli took in all 40 minutes of the Garnet’s double-digit win. Martelli led the Hawks to the D1 Elite 8 two years ago before falling to Oklahoma State…

So why was he there?

Martelli’s son Jimmy is a 2005 graduate of Dickinson and now one the Red Devils’ assistants…

Combine the family connection along with the facts that Martelli’s home is about four miles from Swarthmore, and the Hawks next A-10 game not until tomorrow, and the well-respected basketball chief was able to enjoy the afternoon.

It was somewhat surreal though…Martelli just sitting there with his wife, watching a D3 game between 1-10 Swat and 4-7 Dickinson…