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If you don’t understand why I moved your post, it might just be because it didn’t add anything constructive to the discussion over there, which was clearly part of the stated goal.
The offending posts (I was kind enough to find them a new home, as opposed to deleting them entirely) follow:
rigg0123 Says:
The 5th of December, 2006 at 11:49 amI’d like to give a shout-out to the Mt Union Purple Raiders. The greatest sports dynasty of all time.
GIT R DONE boys GIT R DONE!!
I can’t wait for Saturday. MU 56 — SJFC 3
DOC SWAMI Says:
The 5th of December, 2006 at 12:21 pmST JOHN’S FISHER WILL GET WHAT ROWAN DID OUT WEST AT LINFIELD IN 2004. MT UNION IS FAVORED BY 17 AND SHOULD WIN BY AT LEAST 28. UW WHITEWATER IS FAVORED BY 13′. I REALIZE THAT WESLEY IS BETTER, BUT WHITEWATER I BELIEVE IS READY FOR THE SHOWDOWN WITH MT UNION AGAIN. WHITEWATER WILL WIN 31-7.
Purple Crush Says:
The 5th of December, 2006 at 2:50 pmYou are dreaming if you think the score will be that bad. Stop being a HOMER and get real, clone!
rigg0123 Says:
The 5th of December, 2006 at 3:01 pmHey-
Aren’t you the one claiming UMHB was going to cruise through the south region and crush Wesley?
You all still crying about your first round match-up down there in Texas? Maybe the selection commitee knew what they were doing after all.
Here are the other five I deleted. SeanGOP and mainjack, don’t take it personally … that North Carolina/Kenyon posts were long and tangential, and responding to one of the posts I’d already moved, so I moved yours too.
This site is not SENSATIVE so all you SENSATIVE people should not be on here. You know who you are.
UWW linebackers are not as good as UMHB’s. So it could be a long day if Warrick and company can handle the cold and grass.
No, it’s not sensative. It’s not sensitive either.
Not to mention sensitive people have just as much right to use this site, and be treated like valued patrons, as you do.
Right now, we’re trying to accomodate you both. But if the “sensitive,” greatly outnumber the abrasive, and we can only continue to accomodate one, guess who’s going to win?
I have to admit, I have a thick a skin as anyone, and I like to mix it up too, and still some of the repeat offenders are beginning to annoy me. That’s a serious accomplishment.
The thing is, not everybody wants to read that mess when they sign on here. We’ve got other people we have to serve as well.
I’m gonna curb my enthusiasm in places where it’s not needed, and if you and others don’t want to do the same, I’ll take care of it for you.
I realize that this post may not be outragious enough for this thread, but in comparing the UMHB and UWW linebackers…
UMHB linebackers are very good. They fly to the ball, and I mean fly. However, UWW’s linebackers include all american Rob Widuch, all conference LB AJ Raebel, and Tristan Borzick, who just happens to lead the team in tackles…tough to beat.
D3Keith,
Sorry, wrong key, SENSITIVE!!
I have enjoyed d3football.com for several years until now. C’mon Keith, people can’t express themselves on this site? Reality is this, different people have different views and some more than others are more abrasive. Seems if you want everyone to hug, agree and be happy. Well, I am going to be who I am and sorry if at times I can be offensive. Feel free to delete any comment I post. I have never posted anything with curse words etc. What’s the big deal.
UWWRUNNER,
I agree you guys have tough LB’S . They did a great job against UMHB. However, they will be tested against the short passing game. I guess we will see Saturday how well they perform.
Ok, I was looking for the right forum to ask this question: how do you define a fanatic on this site. I stated SJFC would score 31 against Rowan and they did. I did not see myself as a fanatic but one who looked at previous stats and made an educated comment. However, I am sure if I had said SJFC 31 Rowan 0, the fanatic title would have definitely been mine. I am sure that Rigg01234’s prediction of MU 56 SJFC 3 would be viewed as a bit far fetched as well but MU’s track record supports the possibility. Is fanatic just a term used to define those who use statements that although are supportable, upset opposing fans?
SJFC 24 MU 21 MU up 14-0 at half.
Not a question of sensitivity or of being offended, PC. More a matter of sportsmanship, a hallmark of collegiate athletics. One can enthusiastically support a team and “beat the drums” (or metal trash cans in the case of UMHB) without having to insult the opposition. Simple as that. Fair enough?
can we start the knuclehead hall of fame…any nominations
I nominate Stoonk.
Purple Crush,
As I explained to you via e-mail, it’s not a matter of censorship, and that wasn’t even me correcting your spelling. And perhaps you’ve noticed that I haven’t deleted anything.
It has to do with there being a time and place for everything.
The people that don’t want it to get ugly need to be taken care of, just like the people who do. So now you have your separate threads. Maybe I should be asking you “What’s the big deal?”
If it’s the type of thing that makes you stop using the site, do what you have to do. I understand.
But no one’s telling you you can’t be a jerk to others on the board. We’re just grouping you guys together. You can be a jerk here, but on the other thread, save that stuff.
Not sure I could be any nicer about it.
UWW linebackers are legit. It has never been the short routes that gave UWW problems in the passing game. It is the down the sidelines. From the range of 5-20 yards UWW has an issue closing off the sidelines to sideline routes. If Wesley beats them this weekend it is because of two reasons. 1. UWW cant get the run established and has to pass to much. 2. Wesley’s passing game beats them with one third down conversion after another on the sidelines.
My predictions for Saturdays games go as follows:
Wesley @ UWW
UWW has to be able to run the ball. If they can’t run the ball any better than they did against St. Johns last week Wesley is in the game. UWW has to be able to stop Wesley on 3rd down and avoid 9-15 play drives.
Wesley has to be able to run the ball a little. They have to be willing to show that they will run the ball and that they are willing to run it on any down. If they fail to do that UWW defensive line will tee off on them in passing situation and then it won’t matter if recievers are getting open or not. Wesley has a great chance to win this game if they can control the first quarter and not allow UWW to jump out to an early lead.
Final Score: UWW- 28 Wesley- 24 (Only because UWW is at home)
SJFC @ Mount Union
Mount Union has to avoid turnovers that directly lead to scores. Mount Union will run the ball right at SJFC until the break. If SJFC doesn’t break early and is in the game in the 3rd quarter it could be interesting. MU will have it’s defense flying around the field ready to make plays.
SJFC can not turn the ball over. When I say they can not turn the ball over I mean, at all. In order for them to come in and pull of an upset they need to grab the bull by the horns and hold on as long as possible. They need to play field position, take shots down field on running downs, and play with 100% energy all game. Their defense needs to just try to hold their ground up front.
Final Score: Mount Union- 27 SJFC- 10
Ouee! this site is plentee ruff goin write afta spelyn and stuff i can’t handel it , next thins ya no someones gunna say sumin bad about the LL.
D3Keith,
You can do whatever you want with my posts – I’m cool with it. Just keep up the good work.
Kenyon swimming – WOW – That’s a dynasty.
Did anyone not pick Mount Union to be in the title game? I’m just ccurious.
Oh, and Rig0123, again Mount Union, despite their amazing run is not even close to being the greatest sports dynasty, or whatever you said they were.
I thought it was North Carolina women’s soccer, but it is Kenyon men swimming – and they have a record that will never, ever, be beaten – 27 straight National Championships in D3 (thanks mainjack).
Wow Football talk with no passion or the guy who might not have all his facts right,better study all those facts and stats. welcome to the world of Barney Football Skidahmahrinky rinky doo!
Yep..Mount Union is not the greatest dynasty of all-time…this pretty amazing in any sport for both of the teams you all listed…
but, they have won one…and that’s more than the other three teams left this year….
“that’s” pretty amazing about the other teams you listed is what I meant..
if I could type….
SeanGOP,
I only listed the kenyon record as a matter of reference. No matter how good we think any particular team is or has been, there is always someone that was probably better. Mount/UNC/Kenyon have all had some great runs. But you can’t compare apples to oranges. In my opinion, the greatest college run of all time, is UCLA’s b-ball program that won 10 Div. I Championships in 12 years. That is just too hard to imagine. The Kenyon string, the UNC run and Mount’s current success don’t really match up to what Wooden’s teams did from 1964-75. IMHO, that is the best of the best.
Cam08,
Are passionate and sportsmanlike mutually exclusive? You seem to be suggesting that. Purple Crush is very passionate about his team, but his last few entries were anything but sportsmanlike. Or am I so old-fashioned as to believe sportsmanship still has a role to play, not only among players, but their fans as well?
Can’t wait until Saturday. I will listen to the games on my computer. Good luck to all.
I thought about UCLA basketball when I first saw Sean’s list … but it’s all pretty dominant, no point in arguing about which dynasty is the most dynastic.
Mount is the best football dynasty I can think of though.
dynastic..i like it…nice word 🙂
Im am a fan of Division III football to the furthest extent but, Mount Union is not the best football dynasty.
Miami Hurricanes of the late 90’s early 00’s.
USC Trojans ’01-present
Pittsburgh Steelers of the 70’s
SF 49ers 80’s-early 90’s
I understand that Mount Union has put together an impressive run and I will be the first one to support it but, Division III is much more diluted than Division I and the NFL in regards to overall talent. For example you didn’t or don’t see those teams blow out teams by 50 every week because there is more parody.
As far as D-III is concerned they are the best FOOTBALL dynasty of all time.
SeanGOP-
Do your parents know you are playing on the internet again?
Ig1970-
Very sensitive thoughts but you are on the wrong board my friend- this is the knucklehead’s board.
Everyone remember a few years ago when the GREAT Mt Union demolished Bridgewater 66-0 in the semi’s?
Once again- MU 56 SJFC 3
Anyone coming to the MU game- look for a green ’83 Bronco- I’ll have a keg and drinks are on me!
DUBB, not to argue with the Steelers, but don’t forget the Packers who won five NFL championships during the sixties under one of the greatest coaches in any sport, Vince Lomardi. This may not be as good as the Steelers of the seventies because three of them were before the merger, but I believe the two teams are comparable.
Without a doubt very comparable. My point was that it’s a very wild claim to say that Mount Union is the “best football dynasty”.
Rigg0123 I would like to test your confidence in your prediction of the MU SJFC score. If Fisher beats your spread, will you add a St John Fisher Stencil to your Green Bronco? Or you tell me what the spread must be for the stencil? I will provide the stencil with no charge.
I think the game will be a great one, but I really don’t see a blow out.
Dubb,
The numbers disagree with you. In the NFL when the Steelers won their four championships and Green Bay earlier there only about 26 teams (less for the Packers) so they had to beat out 25 other teams. Yes there was more parity (not parody) but that just means they had to be a little bit better. When you are the champions of a league with 225 or more teams you have to be that much more outstanding to be at the very top all of the time. Of course there will be some bottom dwellers but the good teams alone will outnumber the total of the smaller league. Look at the standard deviations the statistics do not lie.
Yea, I agree, you can’t compare a dynasty at D-III to a Dynasty at D-I, nor can you campare a dynasty in a D-I major sport to one in a minor sport. Probably shouldn’t even compare mens vs. women’s, simply because some schools embraced women’s sports well before the rest of the country, therefore giving them a leg up. Kenyon for example has made swimmming their Number one priority. How many D-III schools out there really care about swimming?
Gentlemen…
Since I was at the SJU-UWW matchup and have since talked with the coaches of SJU allow me to shed a little light on the game that might be viewed as a little more credible than others…by the way SJU coaches did say that this years UWW team is better than the two MUC teams they played in the STAGG BOWL…
1st of all…UWW’d defense is very very good…they can stop another teams running game with just their front 7. SJU coaches told me that Kleppe is as talented a DT as they had seen…their linebackers flow to the ball VERY well…you can throw the ball against them but you need solid pass protection, you can move the ball, but its not easy to do…the Johnnies played very well that game and still made crucial mistakes that the Warhawks used to slip away with the win.
With the UWW offense, first of all Jacobs did not have a good day, he was off just a bit at times had some happy feet, which is unusual…Stanley is for real, if you do not give him room he will run past you…the TE is very good, very underated. What you have to realize is the SJU defense is very assignment orriented…the each do their job, which is why Beaver had troubles running against them, if Wesley has even a few breakdowns this will get ugly…
A wise coach once told me that teams are a little better or a little worse than they were the past year…so my prediction goes like this: UWW 38 Wesley 14…close for a while but ugly in the end.
Joelmama your argument makes no sense. All you are saying is that really good teams have to beat MORE bad teams in divisions with more teams.
The odds of being successful are always better when there are less teams but that doesn’t factor in the level of the competition.
The more teams the more watered down the teams are, that is why Mount Union would get hammered by any Big Ten team, or MAC team for that matter.
You can’t compare Mount Unions dominance to other levels of competition therefor they ARE NOT the best football dynasty.
lg1970,
Like rigg 0123 said “Very sensitive thoughts but you are on the wrong board my friend- this is the knucklehead’s board”.
Leave people alone man with this sportsmanship stuff. Keith created this thread for us “knuckleheads”, so stop already dude. Go back to the sensitive thread and leave us alone. I’m being as nice as I can be, just put a lid on it.
wjbtms-
How about this?
I predict MU will score at least 50 points. I also predict SJFC will score no more than 10 points.
If those 2 predictions come true, I get to stencil your car, at no charge to you, and I’ll bring the stencil, which will read “Deez Nutzz”.
If those 2 predictions don’t come true, stencil whatever you want on my green Bronco. In any event, come on by for a tasty beverage.
OK, knucklehead.
rigg0123
I feel very comfortable with those terms. I am not sure about the significance of “Deez Nutzz”. I would expect that you would want the opportunity to push Mt Union in Rochester. But, hey whatever floats your boat.
Could you explain your level of confidence beyond “We always have”. All dynasties do come to an end. I see Fisher as one of the most balanced teams in D3.
I will try to stop by, but coming in from Rochester may present its own challenges.
all dynasties do come to an end…its just not going to be this year…
🙂 haha
Dubb,
Take it to further extremes.
If there were four teams in a competition the odds of being the best year in year out would be 1 in 4. Not so difficult if you have momentum, a system etc such as at Mount. Could other teams beat you out? Sure but there are only 3 other possibilities.
Now say there are 1000 teams and your odds of winning are much less. There are now 999 other teams that want to improve so that they can scale the Mount(ain) so to speak. It is much more likely that 1 or 2 or even 10 or 20 teams could climb the competition ladder to successfully challenge the leader. That is D3 football in a nutshell.
This so speaks to t he fact that it is MUCH more difficult to maintain a championship level among a large group of teams than a smaller one that the statistics teacher in me makes me want to give you a re-test because you obviously did not understand the lesson the first time we wwent over the material.
I completely understand the odds. That is why I brought up the fact that you always have better odds of winning when there are less teams but, that does not take into account the talent or lack of talent at said level.
It does not matter if there are 999 other teams if only 3 or 4 of those teams actually have enough talent to beat your team.
If there are only 4 teams at a given level those teams will be much more competitive because any talent that is at that level will be much more concentrated. Therefore it is still harder to win at a level with less teams and MUCH MORE talent regardless of the odds.
The most comparable example I have seen on here so far was the UCLA Bruins basketball run. The reason they had that run was because they were one of maybe 4 or 5 teams capable of getting such supreme talent in a large pool of teams.
Dubb,
Thank you for agreeing with me. You said
“I completely understand the odds. That is why I brought up the fact that you always have better odds of winning when there are less teams ..” So it is good you come to your senses. As is the case when you have such a large sample as 225 teams you also get a reasonable spread from high to low in terms of capabilities. That is why MUC’s dynastic tendancies are so remarkable.
Purple Crush,
Just so you understand….I’m enjoying the spirited dialogue between rigg0123 and wjbtms. They respect each other and the teams they support. And they know one of them will be eating crow. And that’s OK. Thanks to rigg0123 for acknowledging my focus in a respectful fashion.
lg1970,
Just so you understand…. I don’t care, so leave me out of your posts. Have a good day!!
Okely dokely, knucklehead. Likewise on the good day.
Go Raiders!! Can’t wait to have a little fun in Salem this weekend!!