Congrats to Mount Union. Nice to have a different champion for once. đ But seriously, I don’t mind if the same team wins a couple titles in a row, as long as the season is competitive and the title isn’t a forgone conclusion.
We’ve had years like that.
First thought goes out to the johnny-come-lately Whitewater posters on this blog. Welcome to Division III reality. It takes more than one hand to count the number of schools’ posters who have come in, talked a big game, then had to either slink away or eat crow. But don’t worry, there’s a long list: Wheaton, Wabash, Widener, Rowan, St. John’s (though that one goes both ways).
Second to those who insisted the national title game was played two weeks ago. ‘Nuff said. Don’t count your chickens before the eggs are laid. This is exactly why covering Division III and ranking teams is so difficult.
Third: Can you imagine this team with two more years of Pierre Garcon and three more of Nate Kmic? In our pregame interview I asked coach Larry Kehres if we were seeing the emergence of the next Chuck Moore or Dan Pugh and he pointed out, of course, that those guys did it for four years. In retrospect, however, I think we’ll be able to look back in a couple years and agree about the breakout.
Fourth: Still thinking about the chicken, Stone Station! Yum!
Also, I enjoyed covering sideline reports for the broadcast today (archive links on the front for those who want to listen in). Good perspective on the game. Thanks to Matt Barnhart of Bridgewaterfootball.com for covering the opposite sideline for me so we could get the latest on both sides.
Good to see the NCAA’s chief executive, Dr. Myles Brand, watching the game from the sidelines. We were able to interview him early in the third quarter for those who want to check it out.
As always, play in the Stagg Bowl would have changed our All-American team. But like everyone else, we lock them in and release them beforehand.
Our broadcasters upstairs correctly noted the downfield blocking by the offensive line on Kmic’s 15-yard touchdown run But I feel I should point out that Garcon was down there as well paving the way.
It was great to see officiating not be an issue. The officials clearly got the three calls right that resulted in the game being stopped for review. But it was fun from the field to see the video board and how the replays shown affected the fans, especially on the non-touchdown catch by Garcon — the play was called out of bounds. First replay comes up and is not particularly conclusive to the layman, Mount Union fans roar. Play is stopped. I call upstairs to Gordon Mann, our producer, and let him know it is absolutely out of bounds. Second replay comes up and shows us nothing new. Finally, the definitive replay shows Garcon indeed got his foot down out of bounds and the Whitewater side roars. I enjoyed the element added to the game and hope fans did too.
Now, on to the Aztec Bowl. Thanks to Wes Hostetler for making us look good with his performance as both a defensive back and a return man, echoing our naming him an All-American at both spots earlier in the day. Elsewhere, lots of good performances came from our picks … just not from the quarterbacks. Ouch.
We throw it open, but don’t forget to come back for more coverage this week and in future weeks as we continue to wrap up the Stagg Bowl and the 2005 Division III football season with Keith McMillan’s year in review column.
Over the past 8 years it has either been Mt. Union or the West Champion. You can’t agrue that. That is my point!
Like I said. You can’t argue aginst MU. They are the standard.
By the way, those years that MU “stomped the west champion” what did they do to their league. That’s right ,they beat them as well. Face it, without MU the North would be average.
Wildcat1144,
Thanks for answering my question. That was very nice of you. Have a great Holiday season.
Jdean,
Since 1992 MU has won 8 titles, West Region Champ 5 titles and Albion. Go figure. I guess the West isn’t that bad at all.
Fellas,
Sorry, I didn’t realize but my little brother has been on here posting.
My true feelings are this. Mount Union is the National Champ. End of story. D3 is the best level of football because they have student/athletes playing for the right reasons. I believe all the teams that made the playoffs had outstanding years. Once you start the playoffs only one team finished happy.
Since I am from the west I obviously favor them. However, I am fan of D3 and overall I think it is great. Sorry I anyone was offended.
I hope everyone has a great
Hey Wildcat11,
Did I see where you offered a DVD copy of the game to anyone? I am sure I am too late but if not, would love it and be willing to pay you for it. Recorded the game on DVR and it cut off the last 20 minutes because the game ran over the scheduled 3 hours.
Also looking for a tape of the Linfield/WW game. Does the school make tapes that I can get?
“By the way, those years that MU âstomped the west championâ what did they do to their league. Thatâs right ,they beat them as well. Face it, without MU the North would be average.” FB FAN
WRONG. The North Region would not be weak without MUC. The rest of the region wouldn’t have won the title in place of MUC every year, the historically, the North Region has provided MUC with some it’s better games. See below for year by year comparison over the last 10 seasons:
2005: toughest game was 34-31 win over Capital (OAC) in the Region Final where MUC was losing with 3 minutes left. 2nd toughest game was 35-28 win over UW-Whitewater (west) in Stagg where MUC scored with 2 mintes left to open up 14 point lead. 3rd toughest game was 21-14 loss to Ohio Northern (OAC), 4th toughest was 42-24 win over Capital (OAC) in regular season where Cap lead 17-14 entering the 4th quarter, 5th game was 19-7 win over Rowan (east) in Semi’s.
2004: toughest game was 38-35 Semi-Final loss to MHB (south) on hail-mary in final seconds, next best was 41-27 win over Ohio Northern (OAC) where MUC was losing in 4th quarter before rallying. Also remember the MHB gave Linfield a great game in Stagg. No games against west teams.
2003: toughest game was 24-6 loss to SJU (west) in Stagg, next toughest was 34-16 win over John Carroll in the OAC. MUC also beat UW-LaCrosse (west) 39-14 in playoffs. Beat UW-Whitewater (west) 40-17 in season opener.
2002: toughest game was 28-21 over Baldwin Wallace (OAC), then 34-24 over Ohio Northern (OAC), then 38-22 over Capital (OAC), then 35-16 over John Carroll (OAC). Easiest playoff game was the 48-7 Stagg win over Trinity (south). Played UW-Whitewater (west) in regular season opener and won 44-21. Also note that John Carroll (north) was shipped to the East Region and won it, earning the right to get beat by MUC again in the Semi-Finals.
2001: toughest game was 33-30 win over John Carroll (OAC) where MUC was losing with 2 minutes to go, next was 30-27 win over Bridgewater (south) in Stagg Bowl, 3rd toughest game was 17-3 win over Baldwin Wallace (OAC). Easiest playoff win was 35-14 win over SJU (west) in semi-finals, lead 35-0 when pulling starters early in 4th quarter and SJU scoring twice in final 5 minutes.
2000: toughest game was 10-7 Stagg Bowl win over SJU (west), next toughest was 41-31 win over John Carroll (OAC), 3rd toughest was 32-15 playoff win over Wittenberg (north).
1999: toughest game was 57-51 win over John Carroll (OAC) in 3 overtimes, 2nd toughest game was 42-33 win over Augustana (north) in playoffs, 3rd toughest was 24-17 OT loss to Rowan (east) in semi-finals. Played no west teams in 1999.
1998: played numerous tight games including 3 OAC teams within a TD, beat Albion (north) and Wittenberg (north) both by 21-19 scores in playoffs, beat Trinity TX (south) in Semi’s by 34-29. Easiest playoff win was 44-24 Stagg Bowl over Rowan (east). Played no west teams.
1997: only close game was 34-30 playoff win over Allegheny (north). 2nd toughest game was a 38-14 win over Ohio Northern (OAC). All other games blowout wins. Including 61-12 Stagg Bowl over Lycoming (south) and 54-7 win over Simpson (west) in semi’s.
1996: closest game was 31-26 over Allegheny (north) in playoffs. 2nd closest games were 18 point wins over John Carroll (OAC) 27-9 and over UW-LaCrosse (west) 37-21 in the playoffs. Biggest playoff game was 56-24 Stagg win over Rowan (east).
So if you look over the last 10 years, MUC has played great games with teams from more than just West Region. In fact, there were championship years like 2001, 2002 and 2005 where their toughest game was not only a North Region team, it was an OAC team.
In summary, theire toughest games by year are as follows:
2005 – North (OAC)
2004 – South
2003 – West
2002 – North (OAC)
2001 – North (OAC)
2000 – West
1999 – North (OAC)
1998 – North
1997 – North
1996 – North
Coach,
Do you think there is there something to say about teams in your conference knowing your weakness/strengths/schemes better than teams outside of your region in a playoff format?
Could that translate into some of the success Capital had in playing MUC closer than some this post season?
I mean, because the team that played Linfield toughest of all in 2004 (sans UMHB) was Whitworth (NWC). Just because Whitworth played Linfield so close does that mean they were one of the elite teams in the country in 2004? I think most people would say ânoâ.
Also, as another example is in 1999 when PLU won the Stagg. The Lutes finished 2nd in the NWC behind Willamette and then beat the Bearcats in the first round (closest game the Lutes had in the playoffs) in ’99 to launch the ââŹËLutes run to the championship. Again, just because Willamette beat PLU in the reg. season and played them closest in the playoffsââŹÂŚ.does that mean Willamette should have been consider one of the elite in 1999? They didn’t advance past the first round…so probably not.
I think that the success Capital had this year speaks for itself but I also think there is really something to say about being so familiar with a conference opponent when the playoffs roll around.
I would think that a High School Coach would have more important things to do. Just my opinion.
fb fan
Just because he uses some concrete examples to blow your assertion out of the water doesn’t mean he should be doing more important things.
Let me leave it at this since breaking down year by year is a waste of time to show you your statement was way off base (and this has been stated plenty before in Post Patterns). The OAC record in the playoffs since they expanded is 33-8. That of course includes Mount Union’s great success (24-3). The OAC schools not named Mount Union account for a record of 9-5 in the playoffs since the expansion. If you were to put Mount in its own category and list the OAC second place playoff contenders as a conference on its own, the winning percentage of .643 would sit behind only the NWC winning percentage in the playoffs. Oh yeah that 9-5 record would bump to 9-1 if you didn’t count the losses to Mount Union. That’s the SECOND PLACE OAC teams. The point is that you can take Mount out of the North, the second place OAC school has done a better than average job in the playoffs than almost any other conference has, let alone an entire region. JCU proved to be better than anyone in the East in 2002. Capital played Mount so tough that you would have to think they could have won or at least contended for a regional champ had they been shipped to another region. The North Region would still be a contender even if Mount was taken out of the mix. The results of this year’s Stagg just add fuel to the Capital claim that the second best team is not from the West simply based on outcomes after the Linfield/UWW matchup; they can say that the second best team (the one that gave MUC the best run for their money) was from the North, and not just from the North but from the OAC).
And I think that someone claiming to a “football fan” would actually know something about football. Just my opinion though.
I think all of you make valid points. But in heinsight, who cares?
OK
At first I read HSCoach’s analysis and skipped through all the muck. Now that I have read through some of the garbage, I need to respond to a few things…
fb fan
In the last 8 years, it’s been MUC or the West??? First of all, why stop at 8? Why not go back for the last ten years? In that case it has still been “all MUC or the West” as you say with MUC winning 7 of them. The three non-MUC titles have gone to SJU, Linfield and PLU. That’s not such a great statement about the West as it shows the dominance and success Mount has had across the DIII land. The West has produced 3 national champs in the last ten years. That’s 30%. And if you took averages (4 regions over 10 years) you would say that 2 or 3 champs out of a region would be a “good” average. So there you have it. The West is a “good average” region.
Also ranking a region because of the number of individual undefeated regular season teams in that region is not at all accurate when it comes to power ranking. If anything that statistic illustrates the lack of parody in the region. It means you have some very good teams and more than likely some very bad ones. Swap West teams with North teams. Go ahead and put SJU in the OAC and let CAP play in the MIAC. Swap out Occidental with Ohio Northern. There’s just as good a chance that ONU and CAP would go undefeated in those slots as SJU and OXY would lose a regular season game (or two) in the North. I mean OXY played one tough opponent in the regular season before getting beaten by Linfield. Many non-west schools could have gone 9-0 against that same level of competition given the chance.
“Without MU the North would be average…”
I still go back to this one. How about this: Without Mount Union other teams in the North would have 3 or 4 titles.
This was my first year as a D3 football parent. Our son played at Averett University this year. I remember when he made the decision to go to Averett, Coach Mike Dunlevy sent him a email and told him that Averett had signed Mount Union College for two seasons, beginning in 2006.
Coach Dunlevy made the comment that in order to be better than good, you had to play the best, and that is why he agreeded to play Mount Union. HHe was from that area and need how good thier program was.
After watching Mount Union in the Stagg Bowl on TV, I am scared to death of what the final score will be when they play Averett. But one thing is for sure, we will see a great team in action. They have speed, size, coaching, and character. I didn’t see anything that would lead me to believe different.
As far as sportsmanship, you obivously couldn’t hear comments being made over the TV, but I saw both teams show great sportsmanship on the field. They would help each other up, pat each other for a good play and there was no showboating after a TD, tackle, etc. I want to say this, we went to every game (home and away) that Averett played this year and I didn’t hear any trash talk on either side.
What I did hear was a lot of nasty comments directed to refs. Reminded me of high school. The other issue I saw this year, at every game was very low attendance for a football game. Maryville and Ferrum seemed to provide the best support for their teams at home. The athletic directors and school admins, need to find ways to promote these D3 schools in their towns and get more support from the locals.
Kicker13,
Glad to hear that both of my alma maters are supporting their programs. I did attend five D3 games this year. (H-SC three times, Maryville once, MUC/W-W last weekend) I had planned to see Ferrum in the playoffs had they hosted. Now that Maryville is in the USA South I hope to see them more in the future. There are some programs out there that tend to support their school no matter what. For most, in order to increase attendance, you have to win. That is unfortunate, but it is reality. The good news is, in my opinion the Averett Cougars are a team on the rise. My hats off to Coach Dunlevy for picking up MUC. Averett will probably have a tough time at this point playing a team like MUC. (as would many) However, it will show them where they are now, and give them some insight into what needs to be done to get to the next level.
As for the sportsmanship, I agree with you. I saw very little trash talking between players this year. A little bit between fans and players but by far the officials get the brunt of it.
Good luck to the Cougars in 06.
Reality Check,
Wisconsin lacross is in the West. So that makes 5 titles. I don’t understand why everyone is so upset about what I said. I have said all along that MU is the standard. You can’t argue that. What is wrong with pointing out that the west has won 5 titles. And if we believe that the North would have won 3/4 titles if MU hadn’t then I can say the West would have won the rest. Why not? You seem to be saying what you think.
All along I have only been stating a fact. MU has won 8 and in that time the West has won 5. Don’t get upset. MU is great. But the west is getting better.
Why are the people from the North upset? Heck, MU has represented all of you well.
fb fan
Did you not say (paraphrasing), “Take Mount out of the North and the West would win every year.”? You can scroll up if you don’t remember that.
That’s not a fact. That’s not even a good opinion. It is also not a fact that the West is getting better. A few teams are very good. Many are very, very bad. While the WIAC is the best top to bottom conference in the country, the other conferences lack a great deal of parody and competition. There are some very good individual teams in the West outside of the WIAC and that’s about it.
Oh and since LAX’s title came in 1995 (which my math tells me is more than ten Stagg Bowls back) I did not inclulde them in my post about the “last ten years”. Three West champs in the last ten Staggs. And if you go back to the 1993 Stagg, that’s 14 Stagg Bowls. Double-check your math.
I am simply saying that the North is not garbage without Mount Union as you seem to think. HSCoach backed that up with his analysis (that you took a cheap shot at) and I tried to show that by breaking down the playoff records. Both seem to refute your theory.
MUC is not the only school that has represented the North well. That’s why. You shortchange the rest of the region with your narrow vision. You can rest your laurels on the fact that you thought the Stagg Bowl was played on Dec. 3. You’re partially right. It was played on Dec. 3 but it took place in Alliance, OH and was played between Mount Union and Capital.
Is anyone ever going to address wildcat1144’s example of conference foes giving the national champs their toughest game in the past? Capital playing MUC close doesn’t mean they are the second best team. Was anyone saying Willamette must have been #2 back in ’99 because they gave PLU their toughest game? No. Was anyone saying Whitworth should have been ranked #3 last year because, after all, they played Linfield closer than any team other than Mary Hardin-Baylor? I don’t think so. But it’s okay to say the Stagg Bowl was played on Dec. 3 between MUC and Capital this year? C’mon.
Well, I think what’s interesting about that Capital/Mount Union game is usually Mount Union pretty much has its way with its conference opponents the second time around. There has been a benefit to familiarity in the past and it has basically gone MUC’s way every time.
fb fan,
“I donât understand why everyone is so upset about what I said.”
As reality check pointed out, you insulted the North region when you said:
âAs far as I am concerned unless you are from MU then you donât have much to say. Without them the West would win every year.â
There are other good teams in the North besides MUC.
You also managed to insult the South and East Regions. You don’t have to scroll back too far in D3 football history to find games where the South region champs and East region champs BEAT the West region champ in a playoff game, with the most recent example being just 2 seasons ago when Trinity beat SJU.
That’s why people got ‘upset’…because what you said is blatantly false.
Let’s just agree to disagree.
Beat MU and then you will make your case. Until then I stand by my point.
Without MU the North is average!
Hmm, no, I think we’re going to agree that what you said is just plain incorrect. đ
Does beating Mount Union this year when they ended up Stagg Bowl champs make our case? If so, I am glad that’s over with and you defer on your ignorant claim.
Maybe Ohio Northern is better than every team in the West too since they beat Mount Union and Mount Union beat the West’s best team.
Without Mount Union the North is still the best and the OAC playoff winning percentage jumps up to .900 (9-1).
The North Region has been winning championships consistently before some of the better West teams in Division III were even in Division III.
Pat
Agreed.
So, if taking Mount out of the North makes the North “average”, does that mean if we took Penn State (back) out of the Big Ten, the Big Ten is “average”?
What a great year of D3 football. It could have only been better if a CCIW won it all (preferably Augie) or a WIAC team.
However, Mt. Union played one heck of a game, and even though I was rooting for them to lose – they deserve all the credit in the world for beating a very, very tough UWW team. Mt. Union football is one hell of a sports dynasty. Even if you are not a fan of the Mt. Union team, you must recognize they are a bad*** team.
And I know that DIII football has changed over the life of the Stagg Bowl but since the Stagg’s inception in 1973, the North has won 18 Stagg Bowls as compared to 7 for the West, 4 for the East and 3 for the South. Sure Mount Union accounts for 8 of the North’s titles but that still leaves 10 titles in the North not coming from MUC (or to put it another way 3 more titles from teams other than Mount Union than titles from the West).
Now I know you can’t effectively compare the history because schools like Linfield and PLU weren’t in DIII way back when. The point is that the North has dominated the DIII national championship since they started calling it the Amos Alonzo Stagg Bowl.
North 18
Everyone else 14
(Now go ahead and tell us all how these numbers lie too and how Linfield is still the champ with UWW a close second, followed by Occidental, Concordia, Cal Lutheran, and all the way down to Whittier….then Mount Union and the rest of the nation.)
This is my last post. I remember Mike Holmgren got into a confrontation when he was at Green Bay. The fan yelled something about him not being committed because he was thinking about leaving at the end of the year. He later said maybe the fan was right and that is why reacted the way he did.
All you have to do is Beat MU and then I will be quiet.
One last point. 1999 as stated above PLU won the Stagg bowl. They lost to Willamette that year and had to come from behind in the playoffs to win. I guess Willamette was the second best team that year.
2003. St. Johns needed a late field goal to beat St. Thomas. I guess St. Thomas was the second best team that year.
2004. Linfield won a close game against Whitworth. I guess Whitworth was the second best team that year.
One last thing. If you took Linfield and St. Johns and the winnner of the WIAC they to would be average. Each year it always seems to be the same teams in the mix.
Also, I am really sorry if I truely made anyone upset. Fact is Beat MU. Until then we will never know how good the North really is.
“Maybe Ohio Northern is better than every team in the West too since they beat Mount Union and Mount Union beat the Westâs best team.”
I guess that means the Whitworth was the 3rd best team in the country last year ahead of Mount since they played Linfield the second closest on the year? đ
(no need to respond with rage….I was just joking around)
I’m having a hard time reading that the OAC posters are letting one guy get them so fired up. I think the guy is just yanking your chains at this point and just trolling for your responses.
Wildcat1144:
You raise an interesting question. Overall in sports, I agree with your assessment that âfamiliarity creates competitivenessâ. That is certainly the case in the NFL and usually applies to college and high school as well. But looking back at the Kehres coached Mount teams, Iâm not sure that applies. The easiest example is looking at playing the same team twice in a year.
I think the mind set of most MUC fans is that Mount usually has the advantage when the same teams play twice in the same season. Not always, but most MUC fans will attest to that mind set. Please keep in mind that the only times this has happened is the 2nd place OAC team, but it has happened enough times to get a decent sample.
In 1997, MUC beat John Carroll 42-14 in the regular season and 59-7 in the playoffs. Both were blowouts, but the playoff game was never a contest from the opening snap.
In 1999, MUC beat Ohio Northern 56-24 in the regular season and 56-31 in the playoffs. Both games were close for a half, then MUC pulled away in the 2nd half.
In 2000, MUC beat Ohio Northern 48-24 in the regular season and 59-28 in the playoffs. Both games were similar to the 1999 meetings, tight in the first half..
In 2002, MUC beat John Carroll 35-16 in the regular season and 57-19 in the playoffs. The regular season game was tightly contested until MUC scored twice in the 4th to blow it open. The playoff game was a mismatch from the start.
In 2005, MUC beat Capital 42-24 in the regular season and then 34-31 in the playoffs. MUC trailed 17-14 entering the 4th quarter of the regular season game before 2 bombs blew it open. In the playoff game, MUC 31-27 trailed with 3+/- minutes left in the 4th before regaining the lead. The playoff game was definitely the tougher of the two games.
As you can see, only in 2005 versus Capital was the playoff game harder than the regular season game. Usually the playoff game is similar or slightly easier than the regular season game. Itâs my opinion that the playoff games go more in MUCâs favor because of their familiarity of playing with âplayoff pressureâ, where as the 2nd OAC team is in new territory. Mount also has a penchant for turning it up a notch in the playoffs that the other OAC team didnât see in the regular season. So overall, I donât think the 2nd OAC team gets a huge advantage by playing MUC a second time. In fact, I think familiarity helps MUC because of their coaching advantage with Kehres.
The impact of familiarity from one year to the next is hard to judge because of player turnover from year to year. Especially at Mount where very few underclassmen crack the starting lineup. So itâs harder to compare from year to year. One thing is for sure in the OAC though, Mountâs run of dominance has forced the upper half of the conference to get much better than it was 10 years ago. Ohio Northern, John Carroll and Capital have all built new facilities in the last decade to help their recruiting efforts. And Baldwin Wallace has always had the great stadium (crappy playing surface, but great stadium). So overall, the rest of the conference has stepped up the support of their programs and the strength and depth of their teams has improved too. Itâs basically âget better or get drilled by Mountâ.
Looking at just outside playoff match-ups, MUC usually beats the same team worse the 2nd time they play then they did the first time. After 3-4 match-ups, then it usually balances out. Case in point:
Rowan: MUC wins 34-24 in 1993 Stagg, wins 56-24 in 1996 Stagg, 44-24 in 1998 Stagg and then loses to Rowan 24-17 in the 1999 Semi-Finals.
Augustana: MUC beats Augie 42-33 in 1999 after Augie has the ball for 46+ minutes and MUC pulls it out with special teams and huge plays. MUC beats Augie 32-7 in 2001 playoffs and 44-7 in 2005.
St. Johnâs: MUC beats SJU 56-8 in the 1993 Semi-Finals, beats SJU 10-7 in the 2000 Stagg, beats SJU 35-14 in 2001 Semi-Finals, then loses to SJU 24-6 in the 2003 Stagg. The 1993 match-up was a complete mis-match physically, but others have been good games. St Johnâs is the one team that Iâve seen MUC play where Kehres does not have a decided advantage in coaching. Gagliardi and staff have done a great job scheming against MUC. Their in-game adjustments are every bit as good as Kehresâ. Itâs no wonder JG has won the 400+ games!
Wittenberg: MUC beats Witt 21-19 in 1998, then 32-15 in 2000 and 49-21 in 2001
Wheaton: MUC wins 42-21 in 2002 and then 56-10 in 2003.
Bridgewater: MUC wins 2001 Stagg 30-27, then 2003 Semi-Final 66-0.
Allegheny: played MUC tough in 1994, 1996 and 1997 but lost their head coach OâKeefe to the University of Iowa and hasnât been back since. OâKeefe was a great coach as attested to by the fact that Iowa hired him as their O-coordinator and that Allegheny hasnât been good since he left.
Whitewater: MUC beat them easily in 2002 and 2003, but the 2005 Stagg was an excellent game. Not sure Whitewater is a good comparison though because WWW is MUCH better now than they were in 02 and 03. It probably helped WWW though going into the Stagg by having played MUC before. It gave their coaching staff first hand experience for the intensity and precision that Mount plays with. For Mount though, I doubt it mattered. I think the biggest âfamiliarityâ difference in the 2005 Stagg was Mountâs familiarity with the Stagg Bowl, not their history with WWW.
So in general, I think your question of familiarity playing a role is a great question, but Iâm not sure it 100% applies to MUC everytime. Some cases it does, some it doesnât. Howâs that for dancing around the issue?
fbfan
“Beat MUC and I will be quiet.”
We already did once this year. You can shut up now.
We will never know? Didn’t the point that you can take Mount Union out of the mix and the North still has 11 Stagg Bowl champs kind of prove that the North has always been tough with or without Mount?!?
SCOREBOARD!!!
It’s a funny thing about facts. They can either strengthen your point or blow it out of the water. I guess you are unaware of how that works.
One last thing….one last post….one more thing…that’s funny though.
HSCoach
I think Pat said it well when he stated that usually the idea that the second time around is the one where MUC pulls away is true. I know it is not across the board but I have to admit I was surprised at how tight the MUC/CAP game was in the playoffs. I just chalked another one up to LK and expected a game in the 35-21 range. It was a great effort put forth by the Crusaders which I for one did not expect based on the history of Mount Union versus second chance opponents.
Wow, and I thought I had way too much time on my hands…
Let us just all agree that it’s hard to state your opinon on a blog without it getting ripped to shreads. Deal?
Good. Now let’s be men, move on. We all have to go to work the next day.
Or simply keep arguing. What do I know, I’m “ignorant,” I forgot. đ
Blog, smog. When you argue with someone who won’t listen to reason you’re either arguing with a woman or a sports fanatic.
(Name withheld to protect myself from female bombers)
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