Comments on: Rant: Foul Discrepancies! http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/ The daily dish on Division III basketball Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:53:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: robooh http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1121 robooh Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:50:36 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1121 Generalized fan participation in a competitive situation, in which there is a lot of noise not directed at a particular quiet moment is certainly the norm in my experience as a spectator. I have never played competitively. The instance I cite above is not the only one of its kind I've encountered. I intentionally moved my seat location in a game where a nearby fan was distracting the foul shooting of players on the team I was not rooting for. I felt it was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for in a setting where there was little other noise. Generalized fan participation in a competitive situation, in which there is a lot of noise not directed at a particular quiet moment is certainly the norm in my experience as a spectator. I have never played competitively. The instance I cite above is not the only one of its kind I’ve encountered. I intentionally moved my seat location in a game where a nearby fan was distracting the foul shooting of players on the team I was not rooting for. I felt it was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for in a setting where there was little other noise.

]]> By: tniem http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1120 tniem Fri, 09 Dec 2005 02:00:07 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1120 robooh, Perhaps your belief on fan responses is the norm in D3 basketball. But that is not the theory of fan response I was trained in (and at the D3 level at Hope College in the MIAA). I know people will say its women's basketball but I think fan involvement is vital. I believe people should make noise and should distract players if they can within normal bounds. I don't think I am alone in this view. robooh,
Perhaps your belief on fan responses is the norm in D3 basketball. But that is not the theory of fan response I was trained in (and at the D3 level at Hope College in the MIAA). I know people will say its women’s basketball but I think fan involvement is vital. I believe people should make noise and should distract players if they can within normal bounds. I don’t think I am alone in this view.

]]> By: robooh http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1119 robooh Thu, 08 Dec 2005 23:33:59 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1119 d-mac. You are right. We are missing the point. Fan behavior can be very problematic towards refs for the reasons you cite. I'm sure there are many instances of fan behavior that merit a rant. Here's one. I was at a game early this season where everytime a player from one team was at the free throw line the young daughter (perhaps 5 or 6 years old) of the opposing coach would stomp her feet on the bleachers just as the player went into his shooting motion. This was the only obvious noise in the gym. Unlike Division I games played in huge arenas where the free throw shooter has to ignore the waving fans behind the blackboard, lots of D III games can be quite during free throws. In that instance an obvious attempt to distract the free throw shooter is totally uncalled for. d-mac. You are right. We are missing the point. Fan behavior can be very problematic towards refs for the reasons you cite. I’m sure there are many instances of fan behavior that merit a rant. Here’s one. I was at a game early this season where everytime a player from one team was at the free throw line the young daughter (perhaps 5 or 6 years old) of the opposing coach would stomp her feet on the bleachers just as the player went into his shooting motion. This was the only obvious noise in the gym. Unlike Division I games played in huge arenas where the free throw shooter has to ignore the waving fans behind the blackboard, lots of D III games can be quite during free throws. In that instance an obvious attempt to distract the free throw shooter is totally uncalled for.

]]> By: d-mac http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1118 d-mac Thu, 08 Dec 2005 20:20:05 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1118 OK... you all are missing the point of this rant. I assure you, there will be a rant in the future that involves refs and their calls. But this has to do with fans and coaches wanting fouls called ONLY because the scoreboard shows a large margin in the AMOUNT of calls. I agree, there are times that difference might be because of inconsistencies in calls... but most of the time that inconsistency won't account for the ENTIRE difference. OK… you all are missing the point of this rant. I assure you, there will be a rant in the future that involves refs and their calls. But this has to do with fans and coaches wanting fouls called ONLY because the scoreboard shows a large margin in the AMOUNT of calls.

I agree, there are times that difference might be because of inconsistencies in calls… but most of the time that inconsistency won’t account for the ENTIRE difference.

]]> By: Scots Hoops Fan http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1117 Scots Hoops Fan Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:00:35 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1117 My rant is when there is a discrepencey in the fouls being called against one team or another and the officials seem to suddenly cater to the team that is on the short end of the calls seemingly to make things even out. Say team A has 6 team fouls and team B has 1 team foul. Then you see the coach from team A work the officials and suddenly, team B has more team fouls than team B. This seems to be a regular occurence in the NCAC. Its as if the refs suddenly look up at the scoreboard and see the discrepency and say, Oh no, we better start calling some fouls the other way to even things out. My rant is when there is a discrepencey in the fouls being called against one team or another and the officials seem to suddenly cater to the team that is on the short end of the calls seemingly to make things even out. Say team A has 6 team fouls and team B has 1 team foul. Then you see the coach from team A work the officials and suddenly, team B has more team fouls than team B. This seems to be a regular occurence in the NCAC. Its as if the refs suddenly look up at the scoreboard and see the discrepency and say, Oh no, we better start calling some fouls the other way to even things out.

]]> By: Knightstalker http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1116 Knightstalker Thu, 08 Dec 2005 14:54:39 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1116 STH, that is my point exactly. I don't care if they suck, just suck consistently so coaches and players know what to expect. STH, that is my point exactly. I don’t care if they suck, just suck consistently so coaches and players know what to expect.

]]> By: scottie2hottieLC http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1115 scottie2hottieLC Thu, 08 Dec 2005 13:32:01 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1115 robooh, sure as hell not raising my hand! but i gotta admit, they are consistent at something: they are consistently inconsistent! you never know what to expect from ODAC refs! on one play someone could get hammered on a shot and they wont call a foul, next possession someone could just braely get tapped on a shot and they call a foul. Players and teams are supposed to adjust to how the referee's are calling the game, but it's impossible when they aren't consistent with the fouls they call! robooh,
sure as hell not raising my hand! but i gotta admit, they are consistent at something: they are consistently inconsistent! you never know what to expect from ODAC refs! on one play someone could get hammered on a shot and they wont call a foul, next possession someone could just braely get tapped on a shot and they call a foul. Players and teams are supposed to adjust to how the referee’s are calling the game, but it’s impossible when they aren’t consistent with the fouls they call!

]]> By: robooh http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1114 robooh Thu, 08 Dec 2005 03:15:08 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1114 Raise your hand if you think the officiating in your conference is good. Raise your hand if you think the officiating in your conference is good.

]]> By: scottie2hottieLC http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1113 scottie2hottieLC Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:41:06 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1113 I generally don't have a problem with a difference in the amount of fouls called as long as the refs are calling fouls consistently. I generally don’t have a problem with a difference in the amount of fouls called as long as the refs are calling fouls consistently.

]]> By: Pat Coleman http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2005/12/06/foul-discrepancies/comment-page-1/#comment-1112 Pat Coleman Wed, 07 Dec 2005 01:02:25 +0000 http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=85#comment-1112 Well, I'm with you on this one, man. Well, I’m with you on this one, man.

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