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Second NCAA regional rankings

The second NCAA regional rankings have been released. These are the last we’ll see before the playoff pairings are announced on Sunday.

Remember that regional rankings primarily take regional games into account. Teams are listed with their regional record first, followed by their overall record. For more information about the playoff format and how participants are determined, check out our FAQ.

Teams which have clinched automatic bids are in bold.

EAST
1 Delaware Valley 9-0 9-0
2 Salisbury 7-1 8-1
3 Montclair State 8-1 8-1
4 Kean 8-1 8-1
5 Widener 8-1 8-1
6 Western New England 9-1 9-1
7 Hobart 6-1 6-1
8 Endicott 9-1 9-1
9 St. John Fisher 7-2 7-2
10 SUNY-Maritime 7-1 7-2
Also clinched but not ranked: Norwich

NORTH
1 Mount Union 8-0 9-0
2 Wabash 8-0 9-0
3 North Central (Ill.) 7-1 8-1
4 Franklin 7-0 8-1
5 Case 8-0 8-1
6 Illinois Wesleyan 8-1 8-1
7 Wheaton (Ill.) 7-2 7-2
8 Baldwin-Wallace 7-2 7-2
9 Heidelberg 7-2 7-2
10 Wittenberg 5-2 7-2
Also clinched but not ranked: Albion, Benedictine.

SOUTH
1 Mary Hardin-Baylor 8-0 9-0
2 Johns Hopkins 8-0 9-0
3 Trinity (Texas) 9-0 9-0
3 Wesley 4-1 8-1
5 McMurry 6-1 7-2
6 Hampden-Sydney 8-1 8-1
7 Centre 7-1 7-1
8 Thomas More 8-1 8-1
9 Louisiana College 6-2 7-2
10 Christopher Newport 7-1 7-2

WEST
1 UW-Whitewater 7-0 9-0
2 St. Thomas 10-0 10-0
3 Linfield 7-0 8-0
4 Cal Lutheran 7-1 7-1
5 Dubuque 8-1 9-1
6 Monmouth (Ill.) 9-1 9-1
7 Redlands 7-1 7-1
8 St. Scholastica 9-0 9-0
9 Illinois College 9-1 9-1
10 Wartburg 7-2 7-2

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34 comments

  • Author comment by Ron Boerger · November 9, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    So is that really a TIE in the South Region or did the NCAA just make a typo? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a tie in the rankings before, and why move Trinity positionally above Wesley if the are indeed tied?

  • Admin comment by admin · November 9, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    I asked the NCAA this question last week when there were ties. Still awaiting a response.

  • Author comment by aukaz00 · November 9, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    SUNY-Maritime lost to Norwich who won the ECFC AQ, so they shouldn’t be in bold.

  • Admin comment by admin · November 9, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    Thanks, fixed that.

  • Author comment by Ralph Turner · November 9, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    With things still unsettled in the East, I like that I see Illinois College at #9 and the second Pool C in the West. I think that bodes well for #4, #5 and #6 teams!

    Barring an upset in the 11th week, I think that McMurry and Redlands are in the first 4 off the table. I think that that Del Valley and Wesley wins help Kean with Pool C chances in the East!

  • Author comment by Ralph Turner · November 9, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Ranked last week…”once ranked, always ranked”.

    East — Lycoming

    North — Albion

    South — Wash & Lee

    West — St Olaf, Lewis & Clark

  • Author comment by pawesleyfan · November 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Trintiy being fourth certainly looks better for a south/north UMHB bracket. We have to see how many one loss teams survive this week.
    Do we still NOT see the final regional rankings?

  • Admin comment by admin · November 9, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Last year football refused — they were the only sport we cover, I believe, that didn’t release its final regional rankings. But I say final ones we see before the bracket, which is true either way.

  • Author comment by pawesleyfan · November 9, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    I am a little surprised that Huntingdon is not getting more love from the rankings. They are two and one against ranked opponenets. Seems a stretch that two two loss teams from the same conference would get bids

  • Author comment by centex · November 9, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Will McMurry be left out of the post-season – last year in Div III and with 2-losses [one was 82-6]might be cause for pause, even ranked #5 in the South Region

  • Author comment by purpleraider50 · November 10, 2011 at 12:36 am

    If Illinois College squeaks into the West, any chance that Monmouth plays Dubuque? And would Monmouth host based on better Region record?

  • Admin comment by admin · November 10, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Monmouth could play Dubuque regardless of whether Illinois College gets in. And in general, the higher seed would host. (And the seeding is based on the regional rankings.)

  • Author comment by art76 · November 10, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Brackets anyone?

    West
    St. Scholastica at UW Whitewater
    Redlands at St. Thomas
    Cal Lutheran at Linfield
    Monmouth at Dubuque

    North
    Albion at Mount Union
    Benedictine at North Central
    Illinois Wesleyan at Wabash
    Case at Franklin

    South
    Christopher-Newport at Mary-Harden Baylor
    Thomas More at Johns Hopkins
    Hampden-Sydney at Trinity
    McMurray at Wesley

    North
    Norwich at Delaware Valley
    Widener or loser of Montclair/Kean game at Salisbury
    Endicott at Winner of Montclair/Kean game
    Hobart at Western New England

    This puts the only 2 or more loss teams that did not win their conferences in the East bracket. The East bracket is by far the most difficult to predict right now because there are so many teams still in the hunt. Also, this bracket guesstimation is based on the premise that all teams stay in their respective regions for their playoff rounds. We all know that is not a certainty.

    If the NCAA decides that they want no two loss teams in the playoffs that did not win their conference then this bracket set-up will need to be adjusted so that some teams from the South or North get put into the East bracket. This would then allow other teams with one loss a chance to play in the playoffs – specifically Centre from the South and Illinois College from the West and there may be others. Also, this bracket never took into account the SOS numbers that are published on all teams.

    On another thought tangent, if a 2 loss team is allowed into the bracket one would hope that the SOS number would also eliminate some of those two loss teams from the East Region in favor of teams that have been ranked during the season that also have two losses in other regions. This would also cause shifting of some teams into other regions to allow these “stronger” two loss teams in.

    Lastly, I must confess I don’t have a real good feel for where all the teams are located in the South and I suspect that Christopher-Newport is more than 500 miles from Mary-Hardin Baylor, so that matchup may not occur. In the West Region there will have to be flying involved to get all 3 of those West coast teams in the first round.

    What do you all think?

  • Author comment by dvcfilm · November 10, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Would like to see an East bracket without Mount Union but have a feeling the Raiders will once again be the obstacle for the East teams to get by.

  • Author comment by art76 · November 10, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Oops – just realized that the bottom bracket should be labeled East not North.

  • Author comment by vhwon · November 10, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Honestly, I can’t see 2 teams from Texas because the travel costs involved. UMHB and Trinity are in. McMurry may be out. That would not fair to a great McMurry team. The fair thing would be to have McMurry at Trinity and have a lower ranked team at UMHB.

  • Author comment by vhwon · November 10, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    sorry…I meant 3 teams from Texas.

  • Author comment by gogullls · November 10, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Salisbury is 6-0 in the conference and 8-1 overall, please correct!

  • Admin comment by admin · November 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    No. It says at the top of the page that this is the regional record.

  • Author comment by gogullls · November 10, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    Ok then they are undefeated in the region since Wesley is from the South correct? What regions are CNU and Apprentice considered to be?

  • Admin comment by admin · November 10, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Please read the link provided at the top. “For more information about the playoff format and how participants are determined, check out our FAQ.”

  • Author comment by gogullls · November 10, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Noted, thanks. I just read through this and by definition all of Salisbury games were regional. 6 in the conferance and 3 non-conferance but Wesley, CNU and Apprentice are less than 200 miles away from SU. So shouldn’t the record be 8-1 for both regional and overall?

  • Admin comment by admin · November 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Apprentice is not a Division III member, and no game against a non-Division III school can ever be a regional game.

    We have Salisbury’s regional record correct.

  • Author comment by gogullls · November 10, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Ok, never knew that, just assumed Apprentice was as they were in the ACFC with SU until this year and their players get nominated and sometimes play in the d3football.com All American game.

  • Author comment by wheatoncollege90 · November 10, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    you dont think wheaton college gets in?

  • Author comment by geiger · November 10, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Bethel would beat St. Scholastica by 75 points if they decided to, but St. Scholastica is in and the Royals probably aren’t :/

  • Author comment by unialum · November 10, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    St. Scholastica secured the bid by winning their conference. Most people realize it is not a real strong conference, but they ran the table and did what UW-W and MU did… get the conference automatic. Sure, Bethel has a good team and would probably beat them, but Bethel can’t complain. Their fate was sealed when they got their second loss. It’s pretty rare that a two loss team gets a pool C bid.

  • Author comment by purpleraider50 · November 10, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Wheaton is toast this year my friend

  • Admin comment by admin · November 10, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    I wish we had a D3football.com All-American game!

    John, it’s highly unlikely for Wheaton. You’d need to hope for a good number of losses elsewhere, and it’s just so unlikely that they would take three CCIW teams.

  • Author comment by purpleraider50 · November 11, 2011 at 12:42 am

    I will take a shot at a bracket. My older son played for Mount Union so I never payed much attention to the bracket woes. My younger son is at Monmouth, so now I find myself trying to understand the whole process.

    North
    Albion at Mount Union
    Il Wesleyan at Wabash
    Benedictine at North Central Il
    Case at Franklin

    South
    Christopher Newport at Mary Hardin-Baylor
    Thomas Moore at Trinity Tx
    Hampden Sydney at John Hopkins
    Centre at Wesley

    East
    Norwich at Delaware Valley
    Montclair St at Salisbury
    Hobart at Kean
    Widener at Western New England

    West
    Redlands at St. Thomas
    St. Scholastica at Whitewater
    Cal Lutheran at Linfield
    Dubuque at Monmouth

    Eventhough Wesley has a great SOS, doesn’t it hurt them playing 4 non-region games? I mean 5 region wins would not usually be good enough to even make the playoffs. Also a team from Delaware and Maryland in the South? I am confused. Anyone help educate me on this?

  • Author comment by gogullls · November 11, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Sorry I meant the d3 Senior Classic Game in Salem, VA. Per their website, “players will have earned the honor to play against their best peers in a showcase for all to recognize the talent laden D-III football level.”

  • Author comment by callu4life · November 11, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    From what I’ve learned from the past and in talking with folks from the website, if Redlands and Cal Lutheran are both in the field, they will have to play each other in the first round due to D-III travel limitations. Although we wouldn’t mind having another crack at Linfield (for the 6th time in the last 24 months), a Redlands game would be Cal Lutheran’s first home playoff game since 1979.

  • Author comment by purpleraider50 · November 13, 2011 at 1:30 am

    I thought that Conference foes could not meet in the first round.

  • Admin comment by admin · November 13, 2011 at 1:41 am

    That’s true, unless geography dictates it.

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